“I was a teenage armchair Honved fan”
– I was a teenage armchair Honved fan
So… what do we know about Honved?
The A to Z of HMHB
The A to Z of HMHB
“I was a teenage armchair Honved fan”
– I was a teenage armchair Honved fan
So… what do we know about Honved?
this leaden paul
European handball champions 1982. Also had a football team at some point.
28 March 2015
peter mcornithologist
The current chairman of the football team is American businessman George Hemingway. He also owns a multitude of Pizza Hut establishments throughout Eastern Europe. Despite his stewardship, Honved ,as Hungarian football in general ,show no signs of a return to their glorious past.
28 March 2015
Bobby SVARC
In 1954 Wolves wore a special satin version of the old gold shirt which they believed would look better under the floodlights.
28 March 2015
Bruce
I don’t really know a lot about them apart from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Honv%C3%A9d_FC
28 March 2015
EXXO
Course the song’s protagonist won’t have known that badge during his teenage years.
Their badge through the Puskas years till about 1990 was this one http://www.weltfussballarchiv.com/images/logos/Honved_Budapest__old_logo.gif
28 March 2015
EXXO
Course the song’s protagonist won’t have known that badge during his teenage years.
Their badge through the Puskas years till about 1990 was this one
http://www.weltfussballarchiv.com/images/logos/Honved_Budapest__old_logo.gif
One of the rare footy badges to feature a fella in long kecks. As you can see he’s practising his diving techniques, and it was believed back then that tripping over your flared Hungarian army fatigues was the best way to achieve a ten.
28 March 2015
Warden Hodges
Do Toffs do a retro Honved top?
Now that could be sumfin for Chhrrrissstmassss!!
28 March 2015
BRUMBISCUIT
The ground was a shithole when I last went about 10 years ago. the pitch, as I have probably mentioned umpteen times before, made the 1970s Baseball Ground quagmire look like a billiard table. Bit of a hike to get there from central Budapest too.
During communism they were the team favoured by the authorities. ‘Honvéd’ (correct spelling) means ‘soldier’, so they were the army team; players were given military rank, hence Puskás’ nickname: The Galloping Major.
Being authority figures, they weren’t all that popular with some strata of Magyar society. Ferencváros were seen as the dissident team, so things seem to have come full circle, now the current Prime Minister is a declared Ferencváros fan.
Hungarian football is in the doldrums, to put it mildly. I went to a championship deciding match Újpest v MTK and the attendance at the, admittedly splendid, ground, was <3000.
The refrain at the end of IWATAHF is repeated thirteen times, I think.
28 March 2015
Bobby SVARC
Keggo, It’s Red, Don’t be a fool
28 March 2015
jitsu_g
Toffs used to do a retro Honved top as I have on. Only seen one other person wearing one at a gig. Not sure if they still do it though
28 March 2015
jitsu_g
One not on, it only comes out for gigs
28 March 2015
brumbiscuit
http://www.tshirtsville.com/acatalog/Honved-football-shirt.html
28 March 2015
jitsu_g
That’s the one Brumbiscuit, although if they start getting popular in might have to start wearing my standard Liège top ( not beige)
28 March 2015
Warden Hodges
Thanks for the warning Svarc. I’ll stick with my unwashed and ale-stained DPA.
28 March 2015
jodrell banksy
‘Honvéd’ actually translates to something more like ‘guardian of the home(land).’ Yer bog-standard soldier is a ‘katona.’ Which is also a fairly common family name in Magyar-land.
29 March 2015
brumbiscuit
Good point. I’d got my ‘katona’ and ‘honvéd’ mixed up. I don’t know how, ‘cos every time I see Kerry Katona on TV, sadly far too often, I wonder if she has Magyar roots, despite the different pronuciation.
29 March 2015
half teacake
Got to see Man Utd beat them 3-2 at the Bozsik stadium back in 93. Two days later I was on the pitch at Dukla Praha’s stadium rifling the ball past a local 10 year old lad and running arms aloft to an empty stand before crossing town to watch Slavia & Sparta draw 2-2 in a somewhat tempestuous (three red cards) local derby. Happy days.
30 March 2015
flying stromboli of the week
In Soviet times the fans wanted to copy the UK ‘silk scarf’ phenomena of the time but couldn’t afford to produce those 70p silkies that most clubs here managed to produce so instead they used to sell stencilled crepe bandages with Honved on them (got one in the loft at me ‘al fellas). Though popular at the time silkies now evoke more an image of following BCR rather than of being a rampaging football hooligan.
6 April 2015
peter mcornithologist
I can’t ascertain if it has happened before but the mighty Honved are in grave danger of being relegated into the Hungarian 2nd division.
12 April 2015
Dirk Hofman
…played Atletico Bilbao in the 1956 European Cup,lost,I think…
15 April 2015
Mr X
Kispest Honved were the first club Manchester United faced in the European Cup in 24 years in September 1993. United won the two legged tie 5-3 on aggregate.
20 May 2015
peter mcornithologist
Great news for armchair fans. Honved have not been relegated.
31 May 2015
brumbiscuit
Well, that really puts the icing on the FA Cup Final result!
1 June 2015
EXXO
Currently got 37 minutes left to save their season but trailing in the cup to the top-of-the-third-division side. Need 2 goals just to take it to ET. Ain’t gonna happen. How the mighty can fall…
18 November 2015
EXXO
15 mins to go and the squaddies now need 3 just to take it to ET, fancy the minnows from Kozarmisleny to nab another on the break again meself (10/1 shot)
18 November 2015
EXXO
TBF like if Honved do nab 3 in the last 13 they’ll go through on away goals
18 November 2015
Peter Mcornithologist
Been looking for a Euro 2016 team to waste some dosh on.A rank outsider Leicester equivalent.Flirted with Hungary. Not one squad member from Honved, Perfect example of the fallen giant.
18 May 2016
Brumbiscuit
‘Hamarabb otthon leszel mint a kepeslapjaid.’ You’ll be home before the postcards in Hungarian. Might come in useful.
18 May 2016
gedbree
Saw Budapest Honved beat Zalaegerszeg TE 2-1 at the Bozsik Stadion,
21/09/2007
14 June 2016
Peter Mcornithologist
Currently joint leaders of the first division . Amazed to discover the average gate is less than that of Hartlepool .
8 February 2017
andy williams
Surprised they have never reached the level of dukla prague as an hmhb reference.irks me a bit
31 March 2017
Peter Mcornithologist
Top of the league. May play Leicester next year ?
9 April 2017
Bobby svarc
In a pre season friendly?
10 April 2017
Peter Mcornithologist
Joeint top with Videoton with 1 game to go . They play one another on the final day . Why do I want Honved to win ?
22 May 2017
Peter Mcornithologist
Crowned champions of Hungary yesterday .
28 May 2017
EXXO
Just kicked off their first European game in 5 years. Skopje Workers (Rabotnički) v. Budapest Army XI has that old school UEFA Cup ring about it.
11 July 2018
EXXO
Doh. Not realising that I’d been asleep for a year since Peter charted Honved’s glorious triumph in this thread, I of course missed their brief return to the European Cup qualifiers last August.
11 July 2018
peter mcornthologist
Honved were beaten by a Lump of Lads from Luxembourg .
16 August 2018
brumbiscuit
…but MOL Vidi (a.k.a Videoton) go marching on.
My recent Magyar trip saw Honvéd playing away, so no return visit. Bloody hot,over there it was too, even by our summer’s standards. My daughter is studying medicine over there from next month, so I have more excuses to go over now.
16 August 2018
Ferencváros Fan
In 1970 Honved were the first side to progress in a European competition (Cup Winners’ Cup) on penalties, at the expense of Aberdeen, but only after the ref had to be told of the new rule. Prior to this you were looking at a third match on a neutral ground, with the toss of a coin deciding the tie if the 2 sides still could not be separated at the end of what would be 300 minutes of football.
22 March 2022
Lux inferior
And if memory serves, the first ever European Cup tie to be decided on penalties saw Borussia Mönchengladbach defeated by Everton that same season. (I could have stuck this in the Borussia Mönchengladbach thread, but it made more sense to follow on from your post, FF.)
22 March 2022
EXXO
It’s 57 years tomorrow since Liverpool went through to the European Cup Semi-final on the toss of a coin. The replayed toss in fact, after Liverpool skipper Ron Yeats complained that the first one, which was coming down “heads” in favour of his opponent, was stuck at an angle in a divot.
Mr. Shankly congratulated him and asked what he had picked. “Tails” said big Ron. “Aye, well played son. I’d have picked tails myself” said Shankly.
The good fortune more than evened itself out in the semi-final in Milan 6 weeks later.
22 March 2022
parsfan
While I don’t doubt the bit about penalties, I’ll dispute much of the rest using our glorious failure record against Spanish teams in Europe as evidence.
1962-3
Valencia 4-0 Dunfermline
Dunfermline 6-2 Valencia
Valencia 1-0 Dunfermline (Lisbon)
So, yes, it used to happen.
1964-5
Atletico Bilbao 1-0 Dunfermline
Dunfermline 1-0 Atletico Bilbao
Atletico Bilbao 2-1 Dunfermline (in Bilbao)
So still a third tie but no longer neutral.
1965-6
Dunfermline 1-0 Real Zaragosa
Real Zaragosa 3-1 Dunfermline
Game went to extra time, it was 2-2 on aggregate after 90 minutes.
1966-7
The away goals was introduced, a year to late for us. I’m sure you can guess how our European campaign ended this season.
22 March 2022
parsfan
Meanwhile, the bid to avoid relegation to the third tier for the fourth time since those heady days continues in about an hour.
22 March 2022
Ferencváros fan
Thanks @Parsfan for your contribution, citing the fortunes of your club. If I’d commented ‘prior to this you could be looking at..,’ this probably would have been OK, as in the match that Exxo references, the third game was played on a neutral ground, and this came after you’d played your ‘decider’ at the ground of your opponents. I’d guess (and it’s just a guess) that the venue had been decided on the toss of a coin.
Moving on, and moving off topic, I’d just like to thank you @Parsfan for such an outstanding piece of work on all the tracks played at all the gigs. Chapeau, without a shadow of a doubt.
22 March 2022
paul f
Today I learned (or possibly relearned after forgetting) that Honved v Dukla Prague was the first tie decided on the away goals rule.
13 April 2022
EXXO
The decisive goals in the tie were the first-half hat-trick in the first leg in Prague by “the Magyar bomber” Lajos Tichy, who is not often remembered these days as the man in world professional football who scored the most recorded and proven goals in his career – 1912 including 201 in one season – though that obviously includes a huge number of friendly games.
https://90soccer.com/the-soccer-players-who-scored-the-most-goals-in-the-history-of-the-sport-since-the-19th-century/
I think I once gave NB a copy of the programme for that match. Almost certainly a fake, but at least it was a very early fake, in the very early years of ebay.
13 April 2022
paul f
I sometimes have to wonder at my own charming naivety, as it briefly crossed my mind that maybe nobody on here knew this.
13 April 2022
EXXO
Like you I’ve known and then forgotten that fact more than once. Always good to witter about old football knowledge after googling to get more details. Been meaning to re-watch the 1966 CWC final goals and you’ve just made me do it. Ron Yeats might have won that toss in 1965, but in the ’66 CWC final he scored what would count as an OG today.
13 April 2022
paul f
Astonishing it wasn’t classed as an own goal even back then. Big Ron means a lot to me as, even though his career predated my interest in football (me being only two when he crossed the water), he came and said hello to my dad in the hospital just before he died. But you have to say there’s definitely an element of just desserts about trying to save a shot with your hand only for the ball to hit the post and bounce into the goal off you in a way that certainly wouldn’t have happened if you hadn’t tried to save it with your hand.
13 April 2022
Larry Duff
I had a friend whose heritage was Hungarian. Her last name was Gaboczy or something. She said the only word in English that really rhymed was Lugosi.
27 April 2022
EXXO
Nice triple BR tomorrow, with Honvéd needing a very tricky point away at Puskas to be mathematically safe. The way the stars have been aligning for MTK lately I have a bit of a sinking feeling for the squaddies.
14 May 2022
EXXO
Mathematically safe with a 2-1 win.
Of HMHB-referenced place names, I can now only think of one that isn’t yet either mathematically safe or relegated this season, but I suppose if we went much further down the pyramid we might unearth another.
15 May 2022
EXXO
Hope there’s some comfort for Man United fans that they’re not the only former giant of their league that has started their season rock bottom of the table with 0 points from 2 games, though Honved have only a -5 goal difference.
14 August 2022
EXXO
Will in all probability be relegated this evening. Need an even less likely turnaround than Leeds (the team they have to catch are playing the already-relegated equivalent of Southampton).
27 May 2023
The Bullet of Escobar
Wanted to see the stadium but the only available tour round the stadium was when we were leaving and to be honest, I wanted to get the hell out of Budapest.
15 August 2023