“And she turned to her children at her side”
– Old Age Killed My Teenage Bride discussed

Ongoing chat about the lyrics to Half Man Half Biscuit's 2014 song Old Age Killed My Teenage Bride from Urge For Offal. Got differing opinions on what the lyrics are? Want to make any observations about any of them? Feel free to contribute your thoughts, and be as pedantic as you like.

Thanks to John A, John B and Peter T for the original lyrics transcription effort.

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(1 year ago by Paul F)

  1. KITTYMC

    If I hear right, she advises on her deathbed, “Abseil from no-one”. That makes sense to me. Really quite romantic, in a practical, do-the-right-thing and don’t be an arse kind of way. Plus she never wrestled with a bear, nor did any adrenaline sports… all that ‘Bucket List’ shite. She died with a crossword clue in her head. That’s a noble death, isn’t it?

    23 October 2014

  2. EXXO

    You hear right, Kitty.

    At the Bristol gig last January, having come up the M5 from the Somerset gig the night before and “Stopped at the Cheddar Gorge Visitor Centre”, where the assistant wasn’t very friendly when he asked for ibruprofen… Nigel told the audience something like “we were the only ones there not abseiling. ABSEIL FOR NO-ONE.”

    It seems to me that most of these lines are toyed with the years before making it into a song, but I like to think that this one did actually occur to him that very day, after actually witnessing some actual abseiling.

    [I should know better of course, ‘cos everything of his that I believe to be true always turns out to be a right pile of old poetic licence].

    23 October 2014

  3. EXXO

    Seems like there are two meetings with the family mentioned doesn’t it? One “when she reached her centenary year” – arguably either just when she became 99 or well, loosely when she was 100, and the other “at a hundred and one”.

    Must be one of the nice things about having kids, telling them stuff when you’re old and that.

    24 October 2014

  4. John AndErson

    Ah it’s sword not saw protruding from her side as I originally thought. That would have been a particularly gruesome end.

    24 October 2014

  5. paul f

    But she seems to have died on both occasions. I’m confused. Belter of a song though.

    24 October 2014

  6. TC

    Doctor Forbes – dismisser of quack nostrums and he was of the opinion to let nature take its course.

    24 October 2014

  7. Darren

    I hear it as:

    And said, “Take the good and the bad times in your stride. And abseil for no-one”. Then she died

    As if the abseiling bit was an important afterthought.

    24 October 2014

  8. acidic regulator

    I query the apostrophe after King James. She had the King James version under her bed rather than the (ach! ptooey!) Revised one. (Who wouldn’t?)

    I’m incredibly bored with the words “centenary year”, so I’m not going to argue whether the family meeting took place on her 99th or her 100th birthday. But she survived it, after passing on her excellent advice. She made it to 101 (and probably some days). I see only the one meeting and the one death. It’s an obituary song, so “yesterday” means “she died yesterday”, not that “she was 101 yesterday”.

    What.a.cracking.song.this.is.

    24 October 2014

  9. Adam Boyle

    Still hearing ‘it could of been more cut and dried ‘ oddly it adds another layer to the line

    24 October 2014

  10. acidic regulator

    A punctuation pedant stirs the pot. If she did make it past that family meeting on her 99th or 100th birthday, then not
    And “Abseil for no-one”, then she died
    but rather
    And “Abseil for no-one”. Then she died

    24 October 2014

  11. acidic regulator

    I’m thinking it could be the family King James. The one with births, marriages and deaths written down in it. About the size and weight of a breezeblock. As used for reducing ganglions in the hand, with a good hard smack.

    24 October 2014

  12. G100

    This is the best track on the new record by far for me. In fact it could knock Evening of Swing off my personal top-spot.
    Sinister, grumbling riffs, great sounding vocal harmonies and all for a beautiful story of how a lady ‘cheats’ death in the form of some brilliantly specific non-events and ultimately the result is a song where someone dying is a happy ending. Marvellous.

    And she misses Cash in the Attic. Happy for her.

    I do have some unease over the cut and dried line, it sounds for all the world like ‘could have been’ but my heart says it can’t be and must be couldn’t be.

    24 October 2014

  13. KittyMC

    @G100. I’m with you and what a top review! Dr Forbes, I think, would advise us not to fret the speculations … she lived a good life. I don’t think there’s any “could have been” in his implications.

    24 October 2014

  14. KittyMC

    :@Acidic Regulator. I think you make a pertinent point. I’d add a comma, however.
    ‘…and, “Abseil for no one.” Then she died.’
    A colon might do it, too. Quoting quoiting is a quagmire, either way.

    24 October 2014

  15. KittyMC

    I done gone did a typo… I don’t know what quoiting is, but it wasn’t what I meant.

    24 October 2014

  16. acidic regulator

    I’m not sure I want to know what quoiting is.

    I’ll buy your comma after “and”, though. It’s correct, no matter whether or not my major punctuational emendation is accepted.

    25 October 2014

  17. KittyMC

    What did she say? “I never had no particular creed.I never coveted things that I didn’t need.” I suppose commas are superfluous. Still better than scrapping over a will

    25 October 2014

  18. neilthechimp

    One of my favourites early doors.

    Should ‘cut and dried’ not be hyphenated??

    Cut-and-dried….? Looks right to me but I’m never sure with hyphens.

    25 October 2014

  19. Jeff dreadnought

    @neil The hyphenate-a-composite-adjective rule only applies if the adjective in question precedes the noun. So in this case, no need for hyphens.

    25 October 2014

  20. Cyberfoggy

    Isn’t it THE children at her side – rather than HER children. (They might be about 80!) ?

    25 October 2014

  21. dirk hofman

    I agree with ‘the children’,I don’t think she has any,she divorced at twenty one,although her and Vince seem to have stayed close over the years.If there were children we could be splitting hairs over the first line pronounciation of hers(heirs).I think her last bit of advice is one sentence,no emotional ups and downs,no physical ups and downs…Cash in the attic preferable to Sting singing from the roof of the Barbican anyday.

    26 October 2014

  22. Dr Desperate

    I agree it’s ‘the children’. Also, I’m fairly sure (though it makes little sense) that NB10 sings “It’s just like Dr Forbes implied *me*”, and that the confusion over cut-and-driedness may stem from him singing “couldn’t” and the backing vocals going “could not”.
    Gotta love the zeugma at the end of the second verse.

    26 October 2014

  23. acidic regulator

    101 and not confused imo.

    +1 for “the children”.

    I can’t hear anything after “Dr Forbes”.

    Gotta love a site where people use words like “zeugma”.

    26 October 2014

  24. dr desperate

    Assuming that the song was written this year (it couldn’t have been any earlier than 2002, when Cash In The Attic first aired), and that she was only married once before the age of 21, then the Bride must have got her divorce from the singer no later than 1934, three years before the Matrimonial Causes Act became law.
    This means that one, but not both of them must have committed (or pretended to commit) adultery or violence upon the other. I’m just saying.

    27 October 2014

  25. EXXO

    The song might be set in the future.

    I think all episodes of ‘Cash in the Attic’ are repeats anyway, since I think it finished about 2 years ago.

    I say this as a new expert on the programme, having watched my first episode just today – a dangerous road for Exford who normally avoids daytime TV like the plague, but what happened was I had to switch the telly on to get 6Musicand a programme came on that I thought “ooh that might be ‘Cash in the Attic’, I should have a look and see what the songs refers to” – it wasn’t, it turned out to be the end of ‘Bargain Hunt’, but spookily ‘Cash in the Attic’ was then trailed as the credits came up, and it started immediately over on BBC2.

    And ‘The Rockford Files’ was on after that. Double spooky.

    So what other ‘Urge for Offal’ reference experiences do I need to tick off next? Perhaps an evening at Heswall Flower Club? I’ve done most of the others (including Hilbre quicksand).

    Don’t worry, Mrs. Exford’s only away for another 10 days.

    27 October 2014

  26. Adam C

    Aren’t the words “Origin of Species, read/red” meant to be the (cryptic) crossword clue she had in her head?

    The book itself was called “On the Origin of Species” and would that have been a particularly significant book for someone who died of old age. The book On the Origin of Species doesn’t seem to be significantly linked to the words either side of the reference.

    Having said that, I have no idea what the answer to such a crossword clue would be. Maybe she didn’t either if it was the clue rather than the answer that she had in her head.

    2 November 2014

  27. Adam C

    and another thing…

    What is going on with the narrator of the song?

    The woman who died at 101 was his teenage bride but they were divorced within something like 5 years. Then he is there watching over what she got up to afterwards as she avoided the kind of things that might have brought on an early, unnatural death.

    Did he not get over her after they divorced and when he died he started following her around to see when she would join him but she remained oblivious to his hopes and the possible ways in which they could be reunited?

    2 November 2014

  28. dickhead in quicksand

    The full title of the original edition was “On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life”.

    How’s about this idea, which connects three lines together?

    And with a crossword clue in her head:
    “Origin of Species read,
    King James under the bed”

    Without knowing the number of letters I’m struggling; but suggest that “Origin of Species” might be “S”, and “King James” “AV”.

    2 November 2014

  29. Adam C

    What about…

    And with a crossword clue in her head: “Origin of Species, red King James under the bed”

    This breaking up of the words would then both reference the “reds under beds” phrase as well as the Red Letter Edition of the King James authorised version (which doesn’t use quotation marks and has the words of Christ shown in red).

    Both origin of species and Christ’s words particularly those after he died might have a pleasingly eschatological resonance for someone about to die following such a long and well-balanced life. If there is anything at all in what I previously said about the narrator’s perspective, the reflective and philosophical close to her life contrasts with what the narrator isn’t quite prepared to say he wanted to happen (her dying in dramatic circumstances and joining him again).

    Even if that breaking up of the wording is correct (who knows?) it still , of course, leaves the clue unanswered.

    2 November 2014

  30. Jeff Dreadnought

    I reckon what happened is that she died at the age of 100 and joined her late ex-husband, the narrator, beyond the grave, as it were. Together they now lead a peaceful, contented (after)life: she celebrating her 101st “birthday” with a cup of tea and a scone in front of Cash in the Attic, he penning this song.

    3 November 2014

  31. G100

    My feeling is that she may have read ‘On the Origin of Species’ in a kind of bucket list type way and then demoted the Bible from her bedside table to under the bed when she realised that Genesis was totally incompatible with what she had learned.

    3 November 2014

  32. Dr Desperate

    Bit unorthodox, but there is a possible reading that could collapse her two apparent deaths (at 100 and 101) into one: if ‘when she reached her centenary year’ were taken to mean ‘when she completed a year of being a centenarian’.

    3 November 2014

  33. dirk hofman

    The care home Constance was in is called One Hundred and One,after it’s position in the street or number of rooms or average age at which the clientele shuffle out the back door.

    3 November 2014

  34. Dr Desperate

    Could be a bit more zeugma going on: at the age of 100, and at 1pm.

    3 November 2014

  35. it's all caps

    Wouldn’t the centenary year be the year immediately following one hundred years of being alive and that would be no earlier than someone’s 101st birthday?

    Before the 101st birthday someone would only have lived for no more than 99 years and a number of days in the same way that it is only after a baby’s first birthday that they have lived their first year.

    4 November 2014

  36. EXXO

    And I hold no particular creed
    I’ve never coveted things I don’t need
    Under ladders I’ll walk without fuss
    ‘Cos it stops me getting hit by a bus”

    This section is in present, present perfect, and even the use of ‘will’ for predictable present habits.

    5 November 2014

  37. G100

    I don’t hear any issue in terms of the lady dying twice in this song. The last section which starts ‘And she turned to the children at her side’ is a clear departure (musically) from the previous few lines about the centenary year event. As Mr Exford rightly points out the tenses are also different so my view is that there is a clear move back to the story of her death at 101 in that last bit.

    Perhaps a line between those two sections would help to differentiate it? It would fit with the structure of how the rest of the song is written down: –

    And when she reached her centenary year
    They gathered round her wanting to hear
    All the tips on staying the course
    She said, “At 21 I got a divorce
    And I hold no particular creed
    I’ve never coveted things I don’t need
    Under ladders I walked without fuss
    ‘Cos it stopped me getting hit by a bus”

    And she turned to the children at her side
    And said, “Take the good and the bad times in your stride”
    And, “Abseil for no one.” Then she died
    Seems old age killed my teenage bride
    Teenage bride
    My teenage bride

    7 November 2014

  38. EXXO

    That’s not what I pointed out – I just said that 2 of the tenses are wrong.
    Should be “I’ll walk” and “stops.”

    As the narrative does jump around a bit, I’m still formulating some sort of unreliable witnesses theory, which probably will be bollocks but as soon as I’ve bashed it together I’ll be sure to stick it on here.

    7 November 2014

  39. G100

    Oh, sorry my mistake. I still think there’s a change of scene at the end though.

    7 November 2014

  40. Jeff Dreadnought

    I think an ellipsis is required after “And just as ‘Cash in the Attic’ came on”.

    The unreliable narrator theory could work. He admits himself that he doesn’t know for sure whether she ever had a scrap with a bear.

    7 November 2014

  41. Jeff Dreadnought

    Maybe Constance led a double life? As Oscar Wilde once said, he who lives more lives than one more deaths than one must die.

    7 November 2014

  42. G100

    Is she called Constance? I missed that part.

    7 November 2014

  43. Jeff dreadnought

    Erm… No, she’s not, is she?

    7 November 2014

  44. Minkster

    I read this as an anti-superstition and pro-common sense song.
    References to her preferring to read ‘Origins of Species’ rather than the hospice-provided King James Bible, which is ignored (under the bed). References to walking under ladders to avoid being killed young by buses. References to not abseiling or partaking in adrenaline sports.

    I don’t get the ‘dying twice’ thing really. It’s said from a perspective of her death bed in the hospice, with a recollection of what she said to her grandchildren the year before (the advice to a long life).

    It really is a set of beautifully touching lyrics from Nigel here.

    8 November 2014

  45. dickhead in quicksand

    Don’t keep calling it the Origins of Species
    There’s no “s”, it’s the Origin of Species

    8 November 2014

  46. bob the proofreader

    Every indefinite article is vital, of course, and I think I’ve detected one before “cup of tea”, i.e. “a shower, a cup of tea and a scone” with “shower” being almost squashed into a single syllable.
    We’ve had a long wait for the first ever mention of a scone in Nigel’s lyrics. I knew he wouldn’t let us down by mispronouncing it.

    8 November 2014

  47. Aquatabby

    I’m a bit late on this, and it’s been discussed a bit above, but my take on:

    ‘Origin of Species’ read
    King James’ under the bed

    .. is that it’s a reference to Pascal’s Wager – the idea that you can be as atheist as you like during your life (reading Origin of Species), and just convert to Christianity at the last minute (King James’ under the bed, at the ready), and still get in to heaven if God does, in fact, exist.

    It would fit with the general theme of caution on this song, as well as Mileage Chart.

    Cracking song, also.

    8 November 2014

  48. Dr Desperate

    Very nice, Aqua, I’d put my money on that.

    9 November 2014

  49. Dr Desperate

    Ever since Exxo suggested this song might be set in the future, I’ve had this recurring dream that it might be 2163, with the Groom (let’s call him Vince, for the sake of argument) being the same bloke who’s about to take his final Stannah in ‘This Leaden Pall’.
    He’s gazing down at the same lawn, being overrated by the same Dr Forbes, possibly even ignored by one of the same children who gather round the Bride (let’s call her Constance, FTSOA), with whom he’s finally been reunited by a whimsical Social Services residential care team. The papal entourage are all carrying King James bibles, and singing one of the more difficultly chorded songs from ‘Tales from Topographic Oceans’.
    Then Phoebus sinks…

    10 November 2014

  50. Gerry Gow

    Mybe I’m reading too much into this, but Aquatabby’s comment led me to another philosopher: Camus.

    Camus was born in 1913 and married in 1934 to Simone Hié. They divorced in 1940 – I can’t find her date of birth, but she seems to have been about 21. So she was a teenage bride and may have been divorced as 21.

    The Origin or Species & King James references – Camus had a fair bit to say about the existence or otherwise of a deity.

    Camus: “But what is happiness except the simple harmony between a man and the life he leads?”

    This looks a lot like “I’ve never coveted things I don’t need…”

    There’s probably a fair bit more there if we look closely too. I’ll leave that for those with better minds.

    A nice Camus quote to end on here: “Those who write clearly have readers, those who write obscurely have commentators.”

    11 November 2014

  51. EXXo

    With the usual caveats about live versions occasionally differing, nevertheless the Manchester version (see Taylo’s video) does appear to confirm my point about tenses in post 38. Definitely “I’ll walk” and “stops” (though I could see why some might find the latter difficult to pick up ).

    1 December 2014

  52. RAYMOND JOYDIV

    DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THIS TUNE IS BASED ON ? I KEEP PLAYING IT ANDIT SOUNDS FAMILIAR, NICK CAVE/BIRTHDAY PARTY?

    4 December 2014

  53. Bobby SVARC

    What are you shouting for?

    4 December 2014

  54. This leaden paul

    He has jelly in one ear and custard in the other, and as a result is a trifle deaf. – Don Maclean.

    4 December 2014

  55. RAYMOND JOYDIV

    I am not shouting neither I am not deaf due to jelly and Ic cream, The reason I asked the question is the tune is familar.There is a lotof Nigels writing that could be classed as familar.

    13 December 2014

  56. toastkid

    The shouting was just reference to the “caps lock” style of your last post. You’re right that they (Neil etc, not just Nigel) borrow freely from the world of melody, but I can’t pin this particular song down. I’m not massively familiar with Mr Cave’s back catalogue though.

    15 December 2014

  57. Eric Olthwaite

    The riff does sound familiar Raymond & Toastkid, but I don’t think it’s Nick Cave. I’ve been racking my brains for what it reminds me of and got nowhere – if I leave it alone it might come to me.

    15 December 2014

  58. Bobby SVARC

    Nature Boy….maybe

    15 December 2014

  59. SIMON P

    The riff is naggingly familiar and it’s been bugging me as well. I was thinking The Fall but I still can’t place it …

    15 December 2014

  60. EXXO

    I think it sounds a bit like a lot of things, just ‘cos it’s four of the simplest chords played in a simple storming rhythm, but I bet it’s not exactly the same tune as anything. For me the bass does more then the rhythm guitar here, which really emphasises that it’s one of Neil’s and I guess was why in Manchester they swapped guitars for the more difficult of Neil’s new ones, but not for this one.

    I remember there have been several of Neil’s over the years where I’ve wondered “what does that sound like?”, but I really think if it did sound directly like another song he’d carry on fiddling with it till it didn’t any more. The last one was that “Does ‘Yahoo Chess’ sound a bit like the Rezillos?” thread. Yes, a bit, but it’s not the same.

    15 December 2014

  61. Eric olthwaite

    Aye Exxo, it’s the bass. Those six notes, followed by a six note ascent/descent. I’ve stuck my head into the Fall, Pere Ubu, Bauhaus. Nothing. As you say, it’s not ‘the same as’, it’s similar to something. Which, I suppose, is why it’s so difficult to place.

    15 December 2014

  62. toastkid

    Yeah, anything simple sounds like lots of other things really. It’s just statistics.

    16 December 2014

  63. bobbybottler

    The opening chords remind me of something by AC/DC, and in a good way.

    And FWIW

    “Origin Of Species,
    Red King,
    James under the bed”

    Darwin, Alice Through The Looking Glass, and Mancunian 80s / 90s popsters.

    11 February 2015

  64. DEPRESSED BEYOND TABLET

    I’d like to add, further to #46: As well as being tickled by the inclusion of “scone” with its correct pronunciation, the fact that a Merseyside accent is required when singing “101” in order to achieve the rhyme between those three lines is also strangely satisfying for myself. As with the affairs/hers rhyme in the song’s first couplet.

    Dunno if the tune’s ripped off, but Nigel’s defo doing a Pete Murphy on this one! (“Tonight , Matthew…”) This only dawned on me, though, after a few days of listening to the song while envisaging a video for the tune in which Glenn Danzig mouths the words. In black and white, natch. Whilst applying Grecian 2000.

    27 February 2015

  65. EXXO

    Don’t think it’s just a Merseyside accent that has all three rhyming – goes quite a bit wider regionally.

    I do notice that the BBC has recently been trying to encourage more of its northern football reporters to pronounce “won” the same as “one” with an RP /’wʌn/, which in sports reporting creates confusion rather than removing it.

    The results are not quite as comical as they are annoying – because most of the journos in question can’t even produce the RP /ʌ/ required, you usually end up with them still sounding northern, but the “one” sounding like “won” ( to a northerner’s ears, or the ears of anyone else who knows that the reporter is a northerner for that matter) and the “won” sounding like “one”. Mark Chapman is the archetypal case in point but there are many other offenders/victims.

    27 February 2015

  66. DEPRESSED BEYOND TABLET

    Wow, it never occurred to me that there might be a difference in pronunciation between “won” and “one”. I’m from Scotland (the only place where the English language is pronounced correctly!) so I was always baffled/confused/amused, growing up, by BBC presenters’ pronunciation, RP and provincial alike.

    (I still vividly remember wondering to myself, what was wrong with the lady on “Play School” that she couldn’t pronounce the word “pattern”. It has 4 consonants, hadn’t she noticed? Even I could say it properly, and I was only 4! Stuart McGuigan could say it okay, could she not hear him?)

    3 March 2015

  67. dickhead in quicksand

    Pa’n has only two consonants. (Source: Pollokshields ancestry.) Are you from Morningside or something?

    4 March 2015

  68. DEPRESSED BEYOND TABLET

    “Pa’-urn”, surely?

    I would say the glo’l stoap is optional though – but perhaps that shows I’ve spent too much of my life in/around Glasgow’s leafy West End (not exactly Morningside, but…)

    4 March 2015

  69. Dagenham dave

    (Very) small point, sounds like “It couldn’t be more cut and dried” rather than “could not”.

    13 October 2015

  70. Dr Desperate

    @DD (from DD) I suspect it may be both – see my post 22 above.
    The first cup is the weakest, the very small points are the sweetest.

    14 October 2015

  71. Jeff Dreadnought

    When they played this on Thursday the at O2 Forum which used to be the Town and Country, the dismissive “Did she ever have a scrap with a bear? If she did, I wasn’t there” line becomes a less confident and possibly slightly bitter “I wouldn’t know, I wasn’t there.” Is this significant? Could it be that the narrator in fact considered his teenage bride to be somewhat beige – less interesting, for instance, than an episode involving three Gerry Gows in one packet and an indifferent newsagent? And that her tendency to avoid bear-fighting and abseiling was what led him to lose interest in her activities?

    Secondly, regarding the comments above on whether or not this song sounds like something by The Fall (or Pere Ubu, etc.): it was interesting to read what Steve Hanley says in his book The Big Midweek about how common it is for bands to borrow other bands’ riffs. He reckons the best plan is to “nick off something no one would ever suspect” – in his case, Wham and Dolly Parton. It struck me how NB10 said something very similar in that interview with Liz Kershaw the other day when asked what he did when a really great turn of phrase popped into his head. He said he’d usually seen it written down somewhere else, “But, y’know, the key is to read it in obscure places so people don’t realise you’re ripping it off or robbing it, y’see, that’s generally the rule of thumb.” Another good example of the “hereditary nature of songwriting” to use Steve Hanley’s phrase.

    17 October 2015

  72. M Mcn

    “Couldn’t be” more cut & dried. Not “Could not have”. Indeed the backing vocals are singing could not but I don’t feel that justifies it being written here. If anyone disagrees with this meet me at the foyer at the Oxford gig and I will fight you.

    29 January 2017

  73. Mark

    Bit late to the party, but for those who wondered why it sounded familiar musically, I’ve just heard “New Rose” by The Damned for the first time in a bit.

    26 August 2020

  74. EXXO

    Whereas I’d say I’ve heard New Rose on average once a fortnight for the last 40 years, and it’s never occurred to me ‘cos I don’t think it’s remotely similar. I think Neil, because he’s so aware of his influences, is always really careful to make sure his tunes are original.

    27 August 2020

  75. dr desperate

    More theaceous zeugma:
    “Here Thou, great Anna! whom three Realms obey,
    Dost sometimes Counsel take – and sometimes Tea.”
    (Alexander Pope, The Rape of the Lock)

    7 October 2020

  76. EXXO

    Hmm. For me there’s a danger of devaluing the better examples if we take the grammatical definitions of zeugma as a literary definition (though I realise plenty of sources do). I love that Pope quote, which is rightly held up us as one of the finest bathetic couplets in our literature and I think that in that case, the effect of the brilliant literary device – bathos – benefits from hardly noticing the elegant grammatical device – zeugma. With verbs like ‘have,’ ‘take’ and ‘get’ there is so usually little or no difference in meaning, they are almost auxiliaries, you don’t notice them. Zeugma as a literary device (rather than a grammatical one) should be wittier than that, usually relying on a figurative meaning and a literal one. ‘Take’ in ‘take counsel’ is not really figurative, and the wit in Pope’s example comes from the bathos not the zeugma.

    So in wikipedia’s list of examples for ‘Type 2’ zeugma as a literay device, personally I think that the inclusion of some of them devalue the others, the best examples of witty zeugma being the Flanders & Swan, Blur and Mark Twain. Alanis Morissette (perhaps ironically) would be in there if she was being original. The others are just clever writing.

    So Blackwell’s line for me is just a grammatical zeugma for a really concise lyric, fitting in a lot of images into ten syllables, but not a self-conscious literary one.

    7 October 2020

  77. dr desperate

    Quite so. The Flanders & Swann (‘Madeira, M’Dear?’) is particularly fine, though unperformable nowadays.

    7 October 2020

  78. TRANSIT FULL OF keith

    Just looked at the lyrics of that and… eugh.

    7 October 2020

  79. Transit full of keith

    Once you’ve got “a hundred and one” in the bag, you can start ignoring the rules, evidently: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/11/i-may-be-102-but-i-want-to-do-my-bit-ex-raf-pilot-to-abseil-down-hospital-for-charity

    11 September 2023

  80. BRISKMARCUs

    Currently scripting a music video for this song, it might not go anywhere but i sure do have both the ideas and the means of production – will keep updated if it goes ahead.

    2 December 2024

  81. paul f

    The world’s oldest woman celebrates her 116th birthday today in a Surrey car home. I was delighted to hear this morning her best advice for a long life being to “take the good and the bad in your stride”.

    21 August 2025

  82. No chips allowed

    @PaulF, Mitsubishi or Ford?

    21 August 2025

  83. paul f

    Oldsmobile

    21 August 2025

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