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BBC 6Music Session on Marc Riley’s show. Your thoughts below.
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s.g.d A Shropshire Lad
…played 3 new tracks – Tommy Walsh’s Eco House R.S.V.P. Left Lyrics in the Practice Room
and also Joy Division Oven Gloves.
New album might be ready by Christmas.
Nigel reliably informed us that when Michael Jackson’s body went for an autopsy, he was wearing a Half Man Half Biscuit teeshirt.
R.S.V.P. is an instant classic – pure poetry.
12 August 2010
Another track from the session called “L’Enfer C’Est Les Autres” is on Gideon Coe’s 6Music show.
Available on iPlayer – starts at 2:52:44
‘Tommy Walsh’s Eco House’ is a belter!
Back to back Cadfael Ross Kemp on Watership Down Are we living in ‘the last days’? My life coach died in a car crash Plummeted his mother into hopeless despair She hangs about the (?) I never know what to say to her ‘Have you seen Tommy Walsh’s Eco House’?
Brilliant! (just covertly listening at work). Anyone got the full lyrics to the session yet?
Thanks for the link Jim,missed last nights session cos of a bunch of overpaid fops in England shirts 😛
Enjoyed the RSVP line: “If what’s in the punchbowl seems lethal it’s because it’s two thirds anti-freeze”
This is my attempt Shirley:
Back to back Cadfael Ross Kemp on Watership Down Are we… living in the last days? My life coach died in a car crash Plummeted his mother into hopeless despair She hangs about the lone walk, I never know what to say to her Have you seen Tommy Walsh’s Eco House?
I’m at the mercy of the local scold She knows, I know she knows about the ? on the (nine dart?) I should have listened to Pop Tart Mark and had the head dissolved in acid by a Belgian clean up team I’ve taken ninety Bisodol I’ve had a bellyful of Tommy Walsh’s Eco House
A tisket, a tasket, a Pashley with a basket Behold Hermione, Little Miss Poundbury I used to hanker after her one days would marry her Before the ground floor flat West Highland Terrier Kathleen Ferrier tickets in the post All damn Lib Dems done gone to Cropredy Tories to Cornbury As for me I’ll take the TGV to Zurich and jump off the roof of Dignitas Leave a note saying, “Here lies the bloke, the only bloke in Harpurhey who wasn’t at the Lesser free Trade Hall y’all”
Think on when you’re ? the zeitgeist or widening the Motorway
Good work, PG. I couldn’t get “Bisodol”, “lone walk” or “Cropredy” at all.
I think it’s “…hanker after her when days were merrier”, though.
Makes more sense Ricardo.
Did anyone manage to rip it to mp3 by any chance?
loved the line ‘what dread upon this spume’…….its whetting the appetite for bilston/preston…..
here’s the download link for the session
Thanks a million
Top work Peter Gandy! I’m just listening now at home which is much easier than at work! Picked up this missing bit so far: –
‘She knows I know she knows about the bothy on the Knoydart’
I’ll see if I can fill in any more blanks. It’s a lot easier once there’s a good solid framework so thanks 🙂
Good work Jim!
here’s the extra track from gideon coe
L’Enfer C’Est Les Autres
Gideon Coe played another track they recorded earlier, just before midnight last night, I just caught a mention of it on the hand over, thought I might have misheard because it wasn’t mentioned again for about two hours. But I dutifully stayed glued to the computer way past my bed time – and he did. It was called ‘L’Enfer C’est Les Autres’ (Hell is other people).
P.S. loved the Sabbath riffing on ‘Left lyrics…’
I think we’d all like to hear that, Lee.
Good session – would have been nice to hear one of their more musically unusual songs (in the tradition of “Country Practice”, “Footprints”, “Problem Chimp” etc), but the temptation with a session, and especially a live one, is to go with the stompers, I suppose.
“Tommy Walsh’s Eco House” is bloody great, isn’t it?
@Norbert D. I need weening off it already! It is as you say ‘bloody great’ had me in stitches. I’m going to have to stop playing it to eat something! Tomorrow at work I’m going to ask if anyone has seen said programme 😀 I haven’t as it goes, though I have caught ‘Challenge Tommy’ on QUEST. It’s quite sort of comforting in the same way ‘One Man And His Dog’ was. I vote for a future ‘Tommy Walsh And His Dog’ series. Anyone got the lyric re zeitgeist (assuming it is ‘zeitgeist’ before ‘widening the motorways’…can’t make it out).
On the bleakest day autumn could muster In a church to to which they’ll not return I thought back to a time I could trust her To a time when there wasn’t John Byrne And in a cruel twist of fate which so often Occurs in tales such as this I found myself catering reception And there were urges I had to resist Not least because John Byrne is much fitter And the straightener to him holds no fears And if the chocolate in the fountain tastes bitter It’s because its been laced with my tears
Celebrations were well underway when, Her father prayed silence and spoke, He said: “It’s not like I’m losing a daughter…” As violently starting to choke And in a gesture which said “I’m fast fading, Could someone dial 999?” He valiantly toasted my capers In that which he thought to be wine It was gone half past ten before folks cottoned on By which time I’d landed in Wick
So if what’s in the fondue’s to die for It’s got nothing to do with the cheese And if whats in the punchbowl seems lethal It’s because its two thirds anti-freeze.
Great set – looking forward to Bilston!
Splendid, less than 24 hours later and we have lyrics and a download.
Good show chaps
RSVP (a first bash)
On the bleakest day autumn could muster In a church to which they’ll not return I thought back to a time when I could trust her To a time when there wasn’t John Byrne
And in cruel twist of fate, which so often Occurs in tales such as this I found myself catering reception And there were urges I had to resist
Not least ‘cos John Byrne is much fitter And a straightener to him holds no fears So if the chocolate in the fountain tastes bitter It’s because it’s been laced with my tears
Celebrations were well underway when Her father prayed silence and spoke He said, “It’s not like I’m losing daughter” As violently starting to choke
And in gesture which said I’m fast-fading Could somebody dial 999 He valiantly toasted my capers And that which he thought to be wine
It was gone half past ten before folk cottoned on By which time I’d landed in Wick
So if what in the fondue’s to die for It’s got nothing to do with the cheese And if what’s in the punchbowl seems lethal It’s because it’s two-thirds antifreeze.
Left Lyrics In The Practice Room (Very much a 1st attempt!)
Demon feet (?) Leave your tomb Seek out the virgin womb Hey Chris from Future Doom You left your lyrics in the practice room.
Cackling hag astride the broom What dread this upon the spume? Hey Chris I understand your gloom But come on man ah you’re from Ilfracombe.
Did you leave them in a soda (?) When the band do practice eight till ten Read them and perhaps you’ll say We’ve got to meet this catch a day.
Oh Black Sabbath bam balam Oh Black Sabbath bam balam
You look up to Oranjiboom (?) Your Georgian (?) sounds like Marti Poom (?) Dr Desperate I presume, You left these in the waiting room How much more can I exhume? How much more can you consume?
Oh Let the light from the lighthouse shine on me Let the light from the lighthouse shine on me Let the light from the lighthouse shine on me The light.
Not at all sure in a few places – feel free to correct, amend etc I really must get out more!
I think it’s ‘demon fiend, leave your tomb’ and ‘did you leave them there so that when….’ Couldn’t get the first to lines of the last verse either
Some people don’t know how to walk on the pavement these days but it can’t be that difficult there’s hardly a whole host of ways here they come, loves young dream arm in arm approaching me now I’m not asking for your smiles I’m just asking for a bit of single file but it’s not forthcoming so I have to assume that this narrow path belongs to you and therefore you must be the Duke of Westminster and his good lady wife so I’ll tell you what I’ll just walk in the road how about I just walk in the road you stay as you are and I’ll just walk in the road
Ah, I feel I’ve been cornered by a bloke who’s just discovered Johnny Cash he’s pissed and he’s boring and he’s telling me all about the man in black it seems the best stuff? purchased at the superstore is undisputedly the perfect score for a weekend in Riga with heavy drinking rugby pals
And I reckon him to be the type of driver to beckon me across the road with an index finger, when at the kerb I linger he should not presume my intention he should invite me with an outstretched palm after all I could be reading the grid? or standing aside for the Duke and his wife either way I’ll not simply walk in the road for you, I’ll cross in my own good time when I feel there’s nothing in the outside lane to knock me over
I keep a wristwatch on this arm of mine I keep my flies wide open all the time and i shot a men in tesco just to watch him die.
shades of shite day there in the lyrics
By glorious serendipity, the morning after this session aired, the Today Programme had a piece on mainland Britain’s most remote pub.
13 August 2010
“Demon feet (?) leave your tomb Seek out the virgin womb” Hey, Chris from Future Doom You left your lyrics in the practice room
“Cackling hag astride the broom What dread this upon the spume?” Hey Chris I understand your gloom But come on, man up, you’re from Ilfracombe!
Did you leave them there so that when The band who practice eight till ten Read them and perhaps then say “We’ve got to meet this cat today”?
You (?) Oranjeboom Your jaw juts out like Martin Poom Dr Desperate, I presume You left these in the waiting room How much more can I exhume? How much more can you consume?
Oh Let the light from the lighthouse shine on me Let the light from the lighthouse shine on me Let the light from the lighthouse shine on me The light (tonight?)
The Oranjeboom line sounds almost like a fluff, can’t make head nor tail of it. Sounds most like “You look young due to Oranjeboom”, but I strongly doubt that’s it.
Chris The Siteowner
Can I just say “ta” to everyone who’s contributing here? I’m out of the country at the moment and only getting on the site sporadically …and this is great stuff. Apologies if the normal edits aren’t getting done as promptly as usual!
Tommy Walsh: my best guess for the zeitgeist line is “Think on when you’re whitening the zeitgeist …” but the tricky word could be waggling, or something else entirely. What can one do to the zeitgeist?
Left lyrics: the orangeboom line is a real struggle. I agree with Norbert that the line starts “You look good” but it then goes a tad indecipherable. Something like “due to t’rangeboom”. But that doesn’t seem right.
L’Enfer: the Johnny Cash album is the ‘Best of’ purchased at the superstore.
“I shot a man in Tesco just to watch him die”
That’s been knocking around for ages, between song banter at gigs etc.
Another alterego – ‘best of’ makes much more sense. also it should have been ‘I’m just looking for some single file’
I heard it as ‘walking the zeitgeist’.
Isn’t it great when we have new lyrics to decipher?
@Shirley Dimensions – great spot on bothy on the Knoydart. All my walking being done in the Lake District and Snowdonia I had never heard of it.
@ Another Alterego and Lee – my first thoughts were waggling the zeitgeist but didn’t go with it as it made no sense (not that that necessarily matters). I still don’t think it’s whitening or walking; how about wakening?
Just a theory at the moment, but I think it might be ‘Wankeling the zeitgeist’ as in ‘bunging a Wankel combustion engine on it’ to enhance it?! I’ve found a few obscure references to ‘wankeling’ on motor sites and am trying to find a definitive usage of it! It would kind of tie in with motorways and it does sound like ‘wankeling’. This theory could however, be total wank(eling) 🙂
MG Wankeling (apparently!)
Yeah it works 🙂 I’ve convinced myself! As in ‘think on about the ecosystem when you’re bunging excessive engine upgrades on things or eating up the natural landscape by widening motorways’. I rest my case your honour! (is it definitely ‘zeitgeist’ by the way? Am kind of 75-80% convinced it’s ‘zeitgeist’ but there’s a shadow of doubt!).
ps I’m off to William Hill to slap a fiver on a Tommy Walsh Christmas number one entitled ‘Nigel Blackwell’s Ordinary House’. I’ll shut up now…nurse!!
I thought at first it might be “while you’re wanking in the zeitgeist”, but… that’s just downright stupid. Does sound like it though. “Wankeling” is a good call, but it doesn’t quite sound like it to me. Not that this means it’s wrong…
Oh, and it’s “all dem Lib Dems done gone to Cropredy”. Which I’ve just used as my latest Facebook update, sadly enough.
I’m not a petrol head so I’m probably not best placed to comment on wankeling, but isn’t a wankel a rotary engine rather than one with pistons? and if so, it doesn’t seem to be the sort of upgrade that people would do to soup up cars and incur Nigel’s wrath.
Besides, it doesn’t sound, to my ears anyway like wankeling. I hear a ning sound at the end; in fact I hear it as wakning, which isn’t a even word – not with various alternative spellings – on urban dictionary.
Long shot coming up though. What if it is wakning, with the n and k deliberately in the wrong order, as a comment on Trevor Beattie’s puerile FCUK campaign?
Oh, and good call on dem Lib Dems.
Scrub the first paragraph, I’ve just seen the you tube clip posted. What a wankeler indeed.
@Peter Gandy. Am sticking with it at the moment but certainly swayable (see below).
@Norbert D Even sadlier I might update mine to Wankeling (or sadlier still, wanking in) the zeitgeist! Yeah I hear ‘all dem’ too and did initially hear ‘wanking in’ also, but thought it a bit ‘throwaway’ for an NB57 line which led me to wonder ‘is there a word wankeling?’ So I’m sticking with ‘wankeling’ for now as my front runner, as it seems to fit the general ‘think on’ eco sentiments expressed shortly thereafter, but let’s just say with Blu Tack as opposed to No More Nails. It may well be my ears willing it to be, in much the same way as shroud defenders (not the back four of Shroud FC if there is one) go ‘no it’s definitely Jesus’ image on that 15th century cloth thing’. We might have to call on a higher power with ‘contacts’. Where is EXXO anyway…is he on that ‘Adult Half Man Half Biscuit Greenland Cruise’ with Chris as advertised in ‘Teenage Eskimo’?
note to self : do some bloody work.
hmmm I think between you two you’ve convinced me to let go of my theory. Just listened to that segment a few more times on YouTube. Yeah, actually it comes across more like ‘waknin in the zeitgeist’ or ‘waknining the zeitgeist’ (as a sound) doesn’t it? I’ve got despondent now and even watched ‘How To Crate Train A Dog’ top right of Jim’s post to cheer myself up. It’s really good. 🙂
new link for sessions includes all 5 tracks
is there any hmhb bootleg traders out there??? got a fair few to trade or if you ask me nicely i usually give them away!! here’s what i got… jodies liverpool 1985 chelsmford 1986 leeds 1986 liverpool transworld festival gardens 1986 liverpool system 1986 birmingham powerhouse 1986 reading festival 1990 mean fiddler 1992 festival hall 1998 manchester university 2000 soundcheck manchester university 2000 (2cd) leeds 2000 (2cd) edinburgh 2003 (2cd) brampton 2006 unreleased live lp 2006 radio 6 session 2009 radio merseyside concert 2009 glasgow arches 2009
Is your radio 6 ’09 actually this one:
If so, I’d love a copy of that. Would you be willing to send it to Gez so he can host it & let everyone who missed that one, grab a copy?
Was the ’06 live LP actually a planned release? What’s the quality like?
From the London Forum ’08. The intro to Shit Arm Bad Tattoo:
“I wrote this song outside Tommy Walsh’s Eco-House…”
So he had the title for at least about two years
Cheers for the link, Jim. You’ve got every HMHB show that I’ve got, plus a fair few more – I’m presuming you’ve also got the legendary Roadwater show from ’09, but didn’t include it because it’s linked on this site anyway (at the top of the page)?
If you get no luck trading – since you may well have every Biscuits boot currently in circulation – there’s a particular forum and a particular torrent site where you’d be made very welcome indeed, I reckon, if you wanted to share the wealth. Don’t know if it’s OK to put the links here, so I won’t, but if you shove up an email address someone will be able to help.
Dave F: I don’t know the story behind this “live LP” (someone might) but the recording going around is 18 tracks, I think from different gigs going by the sound, and it’s good quality – soundboard recordings rather than Rolling Stones Mobile Studio but clearer than most live tapes. Not all the performances are the best to be honest (e.g. a really sluggish version of “CORGI Registered Friends”) but there’s some fine stuff on it. Great version of “Footprints” (“The Lord replied: ‘YOU STUPID, STUPID BASTARD'”).
And at the same gig Nigel introduced Evil Gazebo with, “This song is about my Life Coach dying in a car crash.” so some lyrics as well as the title.
here’s a track from the unreleased live lp
hallelujah/vatican broadside http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AAX7V4HN
from liverpool 2005 i think?
complete track list
the light at the end of the tunnel ****in’ ell its fred titmus corgi registered friends monmore hare’s running if i had possisson over pancake day running order squabble fest restless legs turned up clocked off laid off for what is chatariss 99% of gargoyles hallelujah/vatican broadside shit arm bad tatoo paintballs coming home tending the wrong grave for 23 years all i want for xmas…. letters sent footprints(the lord replied you stupid stupid *******!!!!) venus in flares
will post the lot tomorrow
re the 6 music session 09 will edit the tracks as they have the interviews with them at the minute
you can mail me on firstname.lastname@example.org
Just seen my comments to Jim in a more sober light and realised that he probably knows this stuff already and I must sound like a patronising clot. Oh well.
14 August 2010
norbert send us a mail regarding forum/torrent site if there’s anything on my list you want let us know and i’ll send them over to you
Don’t suppose anyone recorded Sheffield Dec 09? I have two souvenirs from the gig. A crap, blurred photo of Ken and Nigel and glasses that no longer fit properly. Specsavers should sponsor the moshpit.
The Forum, London, Oct 2008 is missing off your list but seeded at the torrent site 😉
here’s the 6 music session 2009
and the unreleased? live lp
cheers treadmore i think i know which one you mean!
A couple of bits of housekeeping: if you post a comment with two or more links, it gets held for moderation (more than one link is a characteristic of spam comments). So post them singly or bear with me, they may take a day to appear.
I can’t see any problem with posting links to live recordings etc., but I will delete links to downloads of material which can be purchased. The least we can all do for a band as great as this is to buy their studio material.
15 August 2010
agreed …the links are great but I would gladly part with £11, put it in Uncle Geoff’s till at the newly situated Probe Records and remain a HMHB completist …and so say all of us!
thanks for the info chris i did wonder what was going on! would it be best to send you some bootlegs and you can host them on your site??
found a few more bootlegs not on my list here’s dickie davies eyes from glastonbury 1986 with slightly different lyrics when i get chance i’ll rip the entire cassette
Got home from footie in time for most of this brilliant session, but why can’t I find the “Eco House” track on the i-player ? What time did they play it ? And then if anyone could fill us in on the background, who is Tommy Walsh, etc. ? Nigel’s contemporary telly references always make me feel inadequate and out-of-touch.
I’ve managed to find mp3 versions of the Marc Riley session but when I tried the link for ‘L’Enfer…’ to download it had been deleted from the linked site (violating terms etc). I’d love to have it on mp3 format to put in iToons n’all, anyone any ideas how to get it? Good to be able to listen to it at all as I missed it on the night, but being in Quicktime it’s all too fleeting!
Exxo – Tommy Walsh is that idiot builder who gained fame on some property refurb prog or other, possibly to an eco-friendly agenda, but I wouldn’t know as I never watch sh*te like that. Was on a weight loss show a few years back and admitted to drinking a bottle of Bailey’s a day – yes, a day and cut down after he was told it would kill him. A couple of years ago was demonstrating perfectly how NOT to lift heavy objects on an ad for van insurance, whilst wearing a fully-laden utility belt – the man really is a pillock! I hope that helps…
Have to say that all four tracks are stormingly good – the next album will be a belter!
Exxo – it was the first track played, I heard it on the iPlayer so it should be on there.
According to various interweb sites Tommy Walsh is a ‘celebrity builder’. Is there such a thing? Can anyone name another one?
He found ‘fame’ in BBCs ‘Ground Force’, a makeover programme that is no doubt responsible for the dozens of similar cack programmes found on daytime TV.
Tommy Walsh’s Eco House was a TV show made 2-3 years back. I guess it’s just a representative show for the whole property and building genre. Interestingly, Tommy Walsh will have what’s been a surprisingly rare honour since the first couple of albums of being namechecked in full in an HMHB song title, joining the likes of Bob Wilson, Brian May, Eno and Vitas Gerulaitis.
Ta for that Chris. I’ve never heard of Discovery Real Time channel, probably explaining why so few people got the joke when Nigel mentioned TWEH at the Forum gig 2 years ago. I started to watch the Youtube footage link but then I felt the urge to tear out my own eyeballs to spare me further suffering…
@Dagenham Dave I put forward that ‘Bob’ is a celebrity builder. Can’t think of any others at the mo. (I refuse to accept ‘Craig’ the original Big Brother winner and Avid Merrion stooge, as he was a chippy I think).
@Charles Don’t feel too down about your lack of contemporary media personality awareness skills. You are in possession of facts that most are not. I for one will now be referring to the ‘this is how it’s done Mr Wilson’ beak-nosed ITV legend as Jim Germantown. Anyway, back to important matters 🙂 Has anyone got the TWEH ‘pre motorway-widening’ lyric yet? ‘Waggling’, ‘Wankeling’, ‘whitening’, ‘wanking / walking waking in’ the list goes on! I’m not convinced it’s even ‘zeitgeist either sounds like ‘(something) gates’? Please God let this be cracked soon. I can’t bear another ‘Bert hears bells’ wait. I might offer a reward. How about a pack of Revels and some Space Raiders? I thought I had it sussed with ‘Wankeling’ until Norbert D and Peter Gandy spoiled it all by convincing me otherwise by cunning usage of ‘probably being correct’ and ‘cold hard facts’ 🙂
I think Shirley “Probably works in an all night garage” as she has easy access to Revels and Space Raiders 😉
Thanks for the info’ folks. I can picture him now off of Ground Force.
Anyway, it turns out it was cunningly hidden as first track on the show at 7pm, the last place I was looking for it, and well worth the wait too.
Whitening ? Wakening ?
But don’t worry Shirley, someone will nail it soon enough, it won’t be another Bert/Transit full of Keith. After all, it’s not like it’s Neil singing or anything.
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Is it possible that with it being live he simply forgot the lyric entirely at that point? If this were the case I’d hazard to suggest that the line could be ‘while you’re capturing the zeitgeist, they’re widening the motorway’. Great site by the way.
Listening to it for the umpteenth time I’m now not even sure it’s ‘zeitgeist’…..
I’m hearing it as dyke-gate rather than zeitgeist but, there again, the preceding verb sounds like whack-ning to me.
Equally unhelpfully the second line of verse two appears to be “boffy on the noin dart” as far as I can tell.
16 August 2010
I can’t work out the Oranjeboom bit on Left Lyrics but I’m pretty sure the following line is “your jaw juts out like Marti Poom.”
It’s “bothy on the knoydart”, as mentioned above – it’s rock-climbing jargon, I believe. See also the reference to “a Pashley with a basket”, which non-cyclists might not clock.
I’m another one who’s now hearing something other than “zeitgeist” in that last line (something “gates”?). But the fact that we all heard “zeitgeist” at first makes me think it might actually be that, and we could just be over-listening to a sloppy pronunciation. I mean, I’m ten years younger than Nigel and I can’t sing that song at that speed without mangling half the lines… then again, I’m still on the fags.
bothy on the knoydart………rock climbing speak indeed.
Knoydart is the last wilderness in the uk on the west coast of Scotland and a bothy is a hut/croft for walkers to relax and take shelter from the inclement weather conditions that prevail in the above areas.
for those who didn’t know (and I didn’t) Poundbury is the new town near Dorchester built according to the architectural gospel of Prince Charles.
“Your jaw juts out like Martin Poom” is of course a reference to the mega-chinned ex-Derby County Estonian goal keeper Mart Poom (his name is actually just Mart – which isn’t short for Martin, so a slight mistake there)
In RSVP they play a bar of Wagner’s Bridal Chorus – followed by a bar of Chopin’s Funeral March
I definitely hear “waggling the zeitgeist”
17 August 2010
The “Catch a day” may reference a section of Richard Thompson’s (name checked by Nigel during on stage banter) website called “Catch of the day” where a daily news item is displayed.
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Re: “Catch a day”… I keep hearing that line “We’ve got to meet that cat today” as in Chris, misunderstood genius of Future Doom…
@Jim Thanks very much for the links. it help fill a couple of gaps in my collection.
I can remember so little about the ’86 gig; only the deathly silence of the quiet before the storm that was about to unleash itself on the festival.
Regarding ‘Left Lyrics In The Practice Room’ I agree with Norbert D except I think it’s ‘the night’ instead of ‘the light’ for the last line.
As everyone else, I’m not sure about the Oranjiboom line. I hear it as Ranji boom. But who knows?
Eh, “this cat” more like…
A couple of others
From L’Enfer C’Est Les Autres: I’m just looking for some single file
& I agree that it’s: I used to hanker after her when days were merrier
I hear “We’ve got to meet that cat today” as well
Is the lone walk an actual place or just metaphorical?
Might the ‘lone walk’ be the ‘Long Walk’ in Windsor Great Park?
Revisiting the zeitgeist, some new and entirely incompatible theories:
1. The line might have been fluffed when sung live on the broadcast. What if the ‘wi’ from widening the motorway had been mistakenly Singh in place of the first syllable of the word before zeitgeist?
18 August 2010
Might the ‘lone walk’ be ‘The Long Walk’ in Windsor Great Park? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_Great_Park
I’ve just put TWEH on YouTube and sent Tommy the link on Facebook. (I know Jim’s got it up already but didn’t want to ‘get his link into trouble’ should Tommy have a hissy fit as celebs are prone to do). I await TW’s probable complete non response with interest. I was going to ask him his thoughts on the ongoing ‘waggling zeitgeist’ saga, but thought that was pushing it. :).
I’m sure the lyric is “The Long Walk”, and it could be any Long Walk, as hundreds of stately homes and estates have them, but Alterego it’s not a bad shout that the association of ideas might be inspired at least in part by the Long Walk at Windsor, as that one is supposed to be haunted.
Then again I always used to think that “Epiphany”, with it’s “Top Acre” and “Keeper’s Cottage”, must have ben set somewhere exotic, but it turns out to have been inspired by the countryside of the good old Wirral Peninsula. Albeit the posh bits.
Meanwhile I’d like to throw in a speculative “wagoning the Zeitgeist”, perhaps as in jumping on the pop-cultural bandwagon.
19 August 2010
@ Exxo I have pondered ‘wagoning’ too, in fact I’m fast running out of words beginning with the letter ‘w’ that fit. I’m coming to the conclusion that whatever it is has already been suggested and NB57 probably slightly ‘mis-delivers’ it. Sonically it comes across as ‘whackning in the zyte gates’ to me after approximately 324 listens (as has been mentioned too). I can only think of ‘side gates’ (as in next to garage at front of a residence) and ‘slide gates’ (those motorised driveway access ones). I suppose “whitening the ‘either of those types of gates'” could work but doesn’t really do it for me. Perhaps we’re all getting too artsy and it is in fact ‘wanking in the zeitgeist’. At least I draw solace in the fact that it will be revealed unlike (probably) Jack The Ripper (unless anyone on here has a theory?…No…let’s not go there). Meanwhile do I get a DP away top and if so do I get ‘Dimensions’ on the back? This is occupying my thoughts of late.
@Charles rather ^ (and Exxo if interested :))
Errm, I am he and he is me and we are the walnuts. Everyone needs a diminutive and Exford has a couple (ooh Mrs.)
But “misdelivers” I cannot hold with. Nigel is not Neil. Next you’ll be telling me he mispronounces “Birkenhead” in the chatty bit – no, it’s just accent I reckon, which is why my best bet is “wagoning” (how I wish we could write in phonetic alphabet at times on here – it would be so helpful (Chris can you fix it?).
Anyway our man will have been singing in the studio from freshly hand-written lyrics, so though stumbling & garbling still often happens in such circumstances, IMHO it makes accent a slightly more likely theory (it’s my native accent too BTW). And, as has been pointed out, he is singing mighty darn fast.
Ah, it’s great that these once-seemingly-endless debates have started up again now that the new material has been unveiled.
Didn’t the Liverpool Daily Post name someone from the Wirral as Jack the Ripper a couple of years ago? I like the William Gull theory the best, but then I’m always one for a conspiracy involving the Royal family.
Anyway, back to TWEH: I’m still going with lone walk after considering Long Walk during the initial listens. I could be wrong of course, and often am, but it would fit with being alone after losing a son.
I got the wrong side of the Mersey. It was James Maybrick, a Liverpool cotton merchant; and a couple of years ago was 1994. How time flies – and I’m not even the driver of a train.
Exxo, your wagoning the zeitgeist theory works for me. That’s what I will sing until somebody proves different.
20 August 2010
@ Peter Gandy Yeah I’d go with ‘lone walk’, as you say it fits with the ‘loss of son’. Not going with Maybrick though. Fake diary. First x number of pages ripped out. Lesson one in how to fake a Victorian diary. Find a half-complete one and remove written on pages 🙂 I’m going with Tumblety on the Ripper front! Anyway back to HMHB or we’ll get scolded by Chris…’it’s not a bloody free-for-all…’ etc 🙂 I’ve got a very vague memory of seeing HMHB at Hull Poly. circa 1994. Anyone know the date at all. Just sort of compiling a ‘who I saw when’ list which I shall bury and hope 2256’s equivalent of Baldrick digs up. I once sat next to the red haired hairy one from Time Team in an hotel in Birmingham. Beat that! 🙂
have put some youtube vids of leeds 97 on my channel
will post a few bootlegs over the weekend if anyone has any preference of shows let us know the list is somewhere in the comments above
Third Rate Les
I’m loving “l’enfer c’est les autres”
Listen Mr Sartre you tiresome midget, you didn’t need all that boring dialogue; the absurdity of the human condition is illustrated so much more succinctly with a few choice observations about pedestrian ettiquette.
22 August 2010
here’s all the tunes plus yaps
25 August 2010
Interestingly*, Kathleen Ferrier played at the opening night of the Free Trade Hall in 1951, some 25 years before all the blokes in Harpurhey bar one crammed into the upstairs room with 140,000 others to see Slaughter & the Dogs.
26 August 2010
I so want to see a photo of the last bothy on the Knoydart at Half Man Half Biscuit Towns. Anyone off to the Highlands?
Well Chris, I’m not an expert on the area, but there appears to be a selection:
Take your pick.
Bloody hell. It’s not “autumn” at all. It’s “Ollerton”, or such-like place name.
Bigger the stereo, clearer it gets. Tonight we listened on an empty auditorium PA.
Which makes me realsie how bloody good ” Tommy Walsh” is gonna sound in the mosh.
2 September 2010
…and then this morning, upon discovering the slowing-down options on the VLC media player, I would like to offer the following:
…a definite “come on, man up, you’re from I-Ilfracombe” (either he garbles it, or he wants to emphasise the fact that it starts with the word “ill” ?)
…a more tentative “you look drugged (at first I thought drunk, but Chris is trying to look like he’s on the hard stuff) due t’ ranjeboom”
…still fairly sure it’s “long walk”, still think “wagoning” is the best bet.
Funny, but slowing down the first line doesn’t help clarify “Ollerton” any further – sheer roundedness of the sound seems to bring that out better.
(R.I.P. my CD-slowy-down machine at work, long live the VLC media player slowy-down control, soon to become feared no doubt as the-harbinger-of-a-mutitude-of-mothers-of-all-cans-of-worms)
3 September 2010
Why do I feel I’ll be getting my lighter out to wave along to RSVP at future gigs?
6 September 2010
Just spotted this reference:
Johnny Cash – Folsom Prison Blues
“I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die”
11 September 2010
All four new songs were performed most excellently last night at Bilston.
In “Left Lyrics” it was very clearly “you drink too much Oranjeboom”, which is obviously very different from the session version, and in “Tommy Walsh” he sang what I was utterly convinced at the time was “countering the zeitgeist”, but Dagenham Dave elsewhere has alleged “capturing the zeitgeist” and that does seem a far more likely collocation, Again clearly neither of those are what he sang in the 6Music session.
At the start of RSVP I forgot to listen out for “Ollerton”, was far too excited ‘cos that was the first bit of new material unveiled, quite early in the service. NB57 then immediately forgot the start of the second verse ( “And in a cruel twist of fate which so often occurs in tales such as this” ) and he had to basically hum that bit with some of the audience already knowing the words better than him ! Brilliant stuff.
16 September 2010
Last night it sounded to me as if Nigel sang ‘Autumn’ rather than ‘Ollerton’ in RSVP, although I’m fairly convinced it was ‘Ollerton’ in the 6 Music version. In Tommy Walsh’s Eco House the zeitgeist part sounded like either ‘catching’ or ‘capturing’.
Nigel’s memory for lyrics seemed to desert him at various points last night (I can only conclude that he left them in the practice room) so I suppose we’ll have to wait for their next few airings to form a more definitive answer.
The Laurel Walk.
As in shrubaceous borders of ornamental gardens, rather than anything to do with the famous son of Ulverston.
21 September 2010
Thanks for all the great links!
Here’s HMHB at the Reading Festival in 1990: http://www.mediafire.com/?tkdi1nmvdiy
15 October 2010
Re Tommy Walsh’s Eco House:
that “zeitgeist” sounding bit could just be “widening the side gate”.
4 December 2010
As has been mentioned elsewhere by minds far superior to mine, the live outings of Tommy Walsh strongly suggest “capturing” the zeitgeist, so Nigel must have fluffed the line on the Session version. Pity, as “wanking on” got my vote and was a belter of a line, though perhaps a little puerile for Mr Blackwell.
23 December 2010
Looking for something to do last night I decided to learn Tommy Walsh’s Eco-House. I settled for a non-commital “wanking”; however, when I ran through the lyrics before being confident it sounded to me like I was “waggoning”.
For posterity my one man & his guitar version is archived here.
23 January 2011
If ever a phrase taken out of context was in dire need of an exclamation mark, it surely had to be the opening of Mitch’s second sentence.
Speaking of masturbatory exercises, this is the stoney ground my seed spilled upon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnWSWto6Krk
Have been a fan since the first LP and my head is done in over the fact that the 4 newest tunes (Marc Riley Session) are firmly in my top 20 all-time.
My favorite band group just keeps getting better.
16 February 2011
“Band group”?? I’m fairly certain I had originally typed “band”. Then, after recalling the clip of Mark E. Smith reading the football results last year, and insisting the interviewers refer to The Fall as a “group”, not a band, I changed the word, forgetting to delete the other.
That’s my story, pedants. Do your worst.
After being informed that the new album might be ‘all done’ by Christmas… has anyone heard anything? Maybe a mention at a gig?
11 March 2011
Not sure if anyone’s spotted this before but Kathleen Ferrier was a Lancastrian contralto:
3 May 2011
Nice one, I think it was Ricardo who pointed out that one of the connections is that she sang with the Halle at the opening night of the Free Trade Hall in 1951.
NB57 mentioned at a recent gig that Elgar disapproved of words being put to his tune (and by implication so did he), so it seems more likely that he appreciates Ferrier through her famous performances of trad.arr. B.Britten
Can any decipher what this word was? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rFgS6P8J3Q
I hear a ‘Y’ and an ‘ering’.
23 May 2011
I’m not in a position to listen to the sound on that clip right now, but I’m sure it’s been ‘capturing’ in its live outings, of which I’ve been fortunate enough to hear 5 out of 6 so far.
Maybe we’ll never know what he sang in the 6Music session, because I doubt it’ll be the same if and when it (the album) ever finally appears.
I’m pretty certain he just mucks it up in the 6Music session, starting to sing: “Think on when you’re widening the motorway” then realising as he starts the word “widening” that he’s missed out a bit (“capturing the zeitgeist”) and ending up with “Think on when you’re w-er-ing the zeitgeist, widening the motorway”. Live ever since, as with the Holmfirth clip – as Exxo says – it’s been “capturing”. Which, as any fule kno, is the only thing you can ever do with a zeitgeist.
Funny isn’t it? Someone types, you listen again, and you wonder how you ever thought it could have been something different.
25 May 2011
I’m not sure if this has been mentioned before, but “Past, Present And Future” by the Shangri-Las includes the line “….a tisket, a tasket, a green and yellow basket.”
21 July 2011
Vendor of Quack Nostrums
Great spot John, so I’m hearing “….a tisket, a tasket, a Pashley with a basket.” Perhaps it’s this one;
In which case I think she wants it back.
22 July 2011
‘A-Tisket, A-Tasket’ is a very old song, derived from a playground rhyme. It has roughly the same tune as the song we know as ‘ring-a-ring of roses’.
The most famous version was recorded by Ella Fitzgerald in 1938.
23 July 2011
Just listened to Tommy Walsh’s Eco House and I’m pretty sure it’s “I used to hanker after her when days were merrier” which you have to admit rhymes better with West Highland Terrier.
28 July 2011
It is indeed, Bobby. I never noticed that nobody had written that line out properly till now, nearly a year on.
I’m surprised nobody’s had a go at the lyrics of the other new one from Shepherd’s Bush yet – Excavating Rita – despite the terrible quality of the YouTube clip. If someone does do it before the album comes out there’ll be mixed feelings about knocking off another one ahead of a new album, I suppose. But either way I guess it’s only about 4-6 weeks till we are devoid of new material to work on again, so in the great scheme of things why not? Maybe I’ll try.
With any luck the album versions of these tracks will all be a bit different anyway, giving us more to get our teeth into.
TWO FAT FEET
Wouldn’t it be ironic if the album version of Excavating Rita proved to be as intelligible as Stavanger Toestub, rendering the London version as faithful as you could possibly get?
29 July 2011
“hotly tipped…highly anticipated…and slated…for release”
WHEN? (The new LP, that is).
I find it interesting that when the London gig was announced in, er … must be February, we all tapped our noses knowingly and stroked our chins, confidently predicting with a cynical air that it was timed simply to maximise publicity from the Smoke-based musical press and quality papers, by having a gig review at about the time the new album was released. The Lux Familiar Cup was doubtless scheduled to climax at this momentous time. As the day approached, suddenly it became apparent that the bloody thing hadn’t even been recorded yet and we’d believed our own speculation so firmly that we thought it was official. Since then we’ve been rather cautious re all things about the probably-not-bongo-laced thirteenth album (or however many it is, I didn’t bother to count up and I’m sure everyone has their own idea of what counts and what doesn’t) and so we don’t know which tracks are likely to be included, when it’s coming out or what it’s going to be called. Exxo has tantalisingly suggested that it may be out in a month or so, has he managed another exclusive interview in the pub or something?
As for the tracks, well as I said earlier I wouldn’t expect the 6Music tracks to all be included, but recent live evidence suggests Tommy Walsh and probably Left Lyrics will make the cut, RSVP may become a rare gem like Ordinary to Enschede or Epiphany, and L’Enfer looks like being similarly banished to wander the netherworld for eternity. Great things are obviously predicted of Excavating Rita, and hopefully once I can hear it clearly that faith will prove to be justified.
Must go, I’m being distracted by My Family.
I seem to remember Nigel suggesting the new album would be out around christmas time – it’s not even august yet
L’Enfer C’Est Les Autres is a work of absolute genius and is easily the best new song I listened to in 2010. It achieves in under 3 minutes what the tired and boring ‘Grumpy old whatever’ franchise set out to achieve and ultimately failed to deliver on, when it disappeared up its own faux miserable smug orifice. I’ve never heard a song which explains so succinctly how merely walking down the street can, through a series of other people’s rude, thoughtless, selfish, self-centred behaviours, ultimately raise in ones soul the desire to murder. It better be on the new album, it’s my hymn to the Twenty-first century.
Agreed that the two songs with the French titles were the best ones from the 6Music session. Pity they seem to be largely ignored in a live environment.
I seem to recall the suggestion that the album would be out about Christmas, was actually referring to LAST Christmas. Not the Wham song btw.
Darn you Mr Tubbs, I had half-baked plans for that 6,000th comment! (having long envied Vendor for his classic 4,000th and having missed Martin’s casual throwaway 5,000th post, at the time I was temporarily boycotting the Lux, probably).
But anyway I didn’t realise nobody had fed back recently about their conversations with Probe Plus supremo Geoff Davies during the June/July tour. So whereas all previous guesses on release date were based on the naive pronouncements of the dreaming artistes themselves, and Mr. Davies remained aloof and unconvinced, the latest estimate of the album being “available at the next gig or the one after that” is based on the actual asurances of the beatnik businessman himself. Hence my confidence.
The tapes are in the bag, the masters have been remasterered, the lyrics have been checked by the lawyers, the artwork has been cobbled together and the band are on their jollies prior to autumn’s melancholy whirl of touring and promotion. Who knows maybe even another 6Music session.
Not long now. Cardiff hopefully. If not then the ‘Spa.
In case anyone hasn’t realised, Amazon has the first spot of the new album out in the wild. No appearance yet on the Probe Plus site though.
So just in case that page goes away or something, the details are:
Album title: 90 Bisodol (Crimond) Released on September 26, 2011
1. Something’s Rotten In The Back Of Iceland 2. RSVP 3. Tommy Walsh’s Eco House 4. Joy In Leeuwarden (We Are Ready) 5. Excavating Rita 6. Fun Day In The Park 7. Descent Of The Stiperstones 8. Left Lyrics In The Practice Room 9. L’Enfer C’est Les Autres 10. Fix It So She Dreams Of Me 11. The Coroner’s Footnote 12. Rock And Roll Is Full Of Bad Wools
I assume this is all legit and not another amusing NB57 hoax.
For those of you thinking of rushing in to order the album, the earliest place you could get the last album from was Probe Plus itself, so it may be an idea to hold back from pre-ordering elsewhere until we see what the news is there.
15 August 2011
Will be a track played on Gideon Coe tonight (from the new album) and Marc Riley tomorrow…or so they say…
7 September 2011
Please note that discussion of the 90 Bisodol (Crimond) album has been moved to that album’s page on the site.
Won’t be long now Shirley. Keep those ears pierced for announcement of a session.
28 August 2014
Where can we be pedantic about the ‘Breaking News’ thread?
I’m fairly sure it’s ‘Stuck UP a Hornbean’.
11 September 2014
We’ll find out soon enough, I hope.
I thought I’d already posted this, but maybe it was only in the comments to CtSO’s YouTube clip: I’m sure it’s up a hornbeam, too.
I urge them to release it in time for Leicester
Last time a HMHB album was slated for release it took about 12 months didn’t it?
12 September 2014
New album at Amazon
(There’s now an album page here for full discussion – CtSO)
Repeat fee for The Lads next week one hears. Another chance to hear Mr. B mangling the zeitgeist in a live environment.
19 January 2017
All that wankeling was rightly commemorated at about 8.42pm tonight.
Seriously though Mr. B made a lyrical fluff on each song in that session and I hope, sensitive soul that he is, that wasn’t part of the reason why they never did a Marc Riley session at all for the last album. Those little live uniquenesses just ad to it all really, like they do at the gigs.
I’ve been a bit of a media whore tonight and had a hat-trick of HMHB mentions on Lamacq & Riley, but the one that got Lard really impressed was when our Carrie Ane messaged him (just after 8 was it??) that Bilston will be Roger’s 141st HMHB gig.
23 January 2017
Does anyone have any idea whether we might expect a new LP this year? Would the mighty Probe Plus marketing machine allow two releases in one year?
29 April 2017
So, jd meetyard and someone else then.
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